charleyfarley 5:25 Mon Apr 26
West Ham launch red card appeal - Balbuena - rescinded
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West Ham have confirmed the club has appealed against the decision to dismiss Fabian Balbuena during Saturday's 1-0 defeat against Chelsea.
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nychammer
4:39 Wed Apr 28
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Kavanaugh did nothing until the VAR Ref alerted him to the possibility that a serious foul had been committed. Then after watching the slow motion replay supposedly had "no choice" but to send Balbuena off, pending appeal by people who know better in context to having played the game.
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ATBOG
4:33 Wed Apr 28
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There's a lot of grey area within the rules to allow interpretation, but the incapable cunts on and off the pitch must be getting their direction from somewhere. Step forward Mike Riley, one of the most infuriating refs of his generation. For me he even outdone Graham "three yellows at the world cup & a dummy for Jimmy floyd Hasselbaink" Poll.
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Helmut Shown
4:23 Wed Apr 28
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The same fuckwits making mistakes on the pitch are given the job in Stockley Park. Nothing wrong with the technology, its the tossers using it. Deliberately briefed to assist the big six to their European aims.
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zico
3:29 Wed Apr 28
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If the words "clear and obvious" apply then it makes no sense that the official in Stockley Park asks the Referee to check the monitor because it then surely isn't deemed clear and obvious, unless the VAR official has already said to the Ref that it "must" be a sending off, but therefore it makes a mockery of the Ref going to the monitor! That's the problem with VAR. It should have been brought in to replace "opinion" with "fact" but it hasn't done that. Decisions are still based on opinion so you may as well do away with it. At least any decision, good or bad, will be decided in real time rather than watching endless video.
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gph
3:15 Wed Apr 28
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VAR's main use is to show that referees are, on the whole, rubbish.
Its other uses depend on referees not being rubbish.
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JayeMPee
2:48 Wed Apr 28
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Darlo Debs - Fully agree with your comment, Oliver is alleged to be the best of the best, Dean also highly rated. So Oliver can see the action clearly on his monitor and gets it totally wrong, inexcusable, or very dodgy? The match ref is clearly going influenced by the 'best', very very dodgy!!
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stepney hammer
2:41 Wed Apr 28
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As for the CL in 2016, probably would have been better not losing to dogshit like Stoke and Swansea (either side of the last game at the Boleyn) when both of those sides had fuck all to play for and were on the beach. Win those two and we finish fourth.
There's always going to be shit decisions every season. This year we have to look at games against Newcastle, Liverpool away where we lost late on and Arsenal after being 3-0 up where we've thrown points away as to why were not qualifying.
We wouldn't have scored against Chelsea the other day with 12 men. Think I was more angry at Benrahma putting it miles over the bar in injury time from 30 yards out when there was a better pass on than the Balbuena thing. It was obvious from the moment the replay was shown the ref would produce a red. Wrong decision of course, but completely expected outcome.
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ornchurch ammer
2:41 Wed Apr 28
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VAR is just highlighting the incompetency of the refs.
We all see the same pictures but they choose not to see the diving and cheating, including the clear and obvious.
Same as anyone with an understanding of football could see that it was a coming together of players on Saturday and not a red card. As Balbuena caught Chigwell it pulled him off balance whereas if it was deliberate his left foot would have remained planted to cause damage.
One thing that VAR should have cut out was the overturning of red cards as refs can see an incident numerous times before making a decision rather than having to make an instant decision as they did previously.
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Lee Trundle
2:31 Wed Apr 28
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It was assumed VAR would cut out diving also.
It hasn't.
If anything those who are still diving are being punished less as play generally just continues.
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Swiss.
2:30 Wed Apr 28
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JonWHUFC 11:51 Wed Apr 28
Exactly what I've been saying.
People say we might have made the CL 2016 if we'd had VAR. Not sure about that with the cunt refs reviewing it. Still favouring the big clubs.
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1:23 Wed Apr 28
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Up until a couple of seasons ago cards were reminded because footage of the incident was made available to the referees panel.
Now we have VAR we’re getting red cards issued because the on field ref is asked to review an incident.
kafkaesque innit.
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Russ of the BML
1:06 Wed Apr 28
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I think they should seriously consider having ex-pro's sitting in the VAR room with the official.
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Sven Roeder
12:12 Wed Apr 28
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I wanted VAR to work but have to admit that due to reffing incompetence I'd rather chuck the whole thing bar the goal line technology (which works unless shit refs dont charge their watch).
We have gone from poor ref decisions to poor VAR decisions and the effect on the flow of the game and being able to celebrate a goal is catastrophic.
I'd rather take the genuine mistake than this mess
We got fucked over previously and any hope that VAR would improve that has proved false.
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Rossal
12:11 Wed Apr 28
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Scrap VAR.....this proves it causes just as many shit decisions as correct ones. It causes more controversy and as a massive side effect makes the game massively shit by taking out the emotion and the stop start element
It was being implemented to improve football and decisions and its so bleeding obvious it hasnt come remotely close to doing either
Ref's should also have a league table and awarded points based on their performance. Bottom 3 get relegated to the championship. They is no accountability for their actions and its wrong
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Ron Greensward
12:05 Wed Apr 28
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Too right it has been overturned. It wasn't even a foul never mind a red card offence. A foul is a deliberate act, this wasn't. Football is a contact sport - you can't just give a foul because there has been contact.
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JonWHUFC
11:51 Wed Apr 28
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I will say again that VAR is not the problem, the humans applying the decisions are. Anyone who understands football knows that Balbuena could not stop his leg going forward and Chilwell came across him so the impact was inevitable. It was not excessive force or intentional so nothing should have been given. The problem is that they have tried to make the laws of game black and white and football isn't. Once the ref looked at the slo mo he can only give it as a red due to the fear of making a mistake. His directive is that if a player is endangered then it is a red card. Once he sees the contact in slo mo he feels he has to give it. A footballing person would not have even asked him to go over and take a look. I think VAR has its place but needs those in the know reviewing the footage. They need to sort out the marginal offside somehow and get rid of the stupid late flag. They say they even themselves up over the season so I look forward to out last 5 games where we will play against 9 men and have 3 penalties awarded in each of them.
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Mike Oxsaw
9:07 Wed Apr 28
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Maybe they are using it exactly in the way it was intended - to break up the game (so adverts can be inserted) and create media talking points.
I can't recall anybody from the media asking for it to be dropped.
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GBHammer63
8:52 Wed Apr 28
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It seems like they are using VAR for the wrong purpose, with a nipple or a toe nail being deemed offside, too many divs making bad decisions, it’s almost like they’re hampered by the technology rather than it being an aid. Like they are using it for no other reason than “ they can”.
It would be best used against cheating, diving, conning the ref etc.
Tottenham would win that particular league table by a street.
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Mex Martillo
7:42 Wed Apr 28
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Good, at least some sense has prevailed.
Darlo Debs, and they said VAR would make the refs job easier...
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Chigwell
5:33 Wed Apr 28
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I get the uneasy feeling that the red card appeals of Soucek and Balbuena would have been dismissed, were it not for Linecker and Shearer ridiculing the decisions on MOTD.
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Darlo Debs
4:45 Wed Apr 28
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* kitchen
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